I like it, but why is the Diemos(t) loosing tank?

Lets not forget that they only have 1/2 the EHP of a BC though.

Maybe because missile velocity bonuses are even more beneficial to HAM fits than to HML fits?

Diemos is still a flying coffin with the words (I brought it on the field and I have blasters, kill me please) written on it.

"We think its fine because its the second most popular turd in a contest of turds"

Alright guys, updated the OP with the Deimos changes.

Removed cap use for MWD bonus
Added Armor Repair amount bonus
Gave back a lot of base hp for armor and structure
Removed small amount of base shield hp
Improved base cap recharge to compensate some for MWD cap use bonus loss

The MWD cap use bonus earned the Deimos 4.5 cap per second, the new Deimos has a base cap recharge that is now 2.1 cap per second stronger than the old Deimos. Obviously this means the recharge is worse when MWDing than before, but the new recharge is useful when not MWDing as well. By adding armor and structure hp along with the new rep bonus, there should be plenty of support for Armor brawlers at all scales as well as the new options for shields afforded by the extra mid and rail buff.

Thanks guys - looking forward to 1.1!

Another small update

Vagabond powergrid raised to 900 (+45)
Zealot CPU raised to 340 (+20)

There is simply no pleasing you, is there?

bought too many vagas and you cant sell them or what?
btw it seems the vaga can fit 425mm + mwd + shield tank pretty well , so where is the problem?

20k EHP is OP? Nope. Not by any stretch. I'm wondering now if you're trolling. Even the tech 1 cruisers can top 20k.

a dual asb eagle tanks 550dps sustained

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THat is why ancient eve balance was more fun, and way better. It had clear zones.. races were balanced..

L2p, hac fleets are a counter, not a single hac. In a fleet you don't active tank, solo you do, solo a bs will almost always beat a hac.

I have no real threshod, but if a cruiser ship can reach 1 k tank before links or implants something is wrong.

If a dual asb egale gets neuted its dead, its weapons need cap, no difference there.


And try to fit a dual xlasb eagle.

And yes under extremly heavy neuting the deimos is clearly superior

I for one agree with Jysella Halcyon. I don't see myself wanting to fly a HAC at any point when a BC will do the job I'm looking to do at a fraction the cost.

Railbuff + deimos is over the top, and stop seeding unique ships on the server (and caps of all kinds).

Because we all fly with a $15/month alt in skirmish links. Like i said earlier, not everyone can/is willing to pay for a booster alt, so arguing "this ship is so great, you only have to spend 1.5b on a ship for your alt and its implants!" is invalid.

I flew it (and every other hac), on the test server, it sucks as a kiter, fact. I hate the ship and dont really want to fly it (just as i really dislike ac cynas) but it shpuld imo be a viable kiter.


Also, have you actually flow the vagabond?

Start reading for once, i have been saying for ages that the vaga is going to be a very good brawler (maybe even to good).

If you had read on you would have come across several posts of me (and other people) explaining while making it a good kiter wont break balancing in the slightest nor make it in any form op.

T2s specialise in areas, HACs happen to specialise in cap management. They also cant boost fleets or have battleship tank.

Let's organise a 10v10 fight on Sisi and see how it works out?

The Deimos needs to be re-examined. It may not be Op in a fleet scenario, however solo / small gang it is simply too effective with local reppers.

Check it out on the test server and you'll see how crazy it tanks.

I think the idea is that the deimos has, to this point, found itself constantly the target of energy neutralization. The capacitor reflects that it should be stable until is it neutralized. This should be a common problem for the deimos, due to the ranges in which it engages. You'll still need that cap booster, because even your guns turn off when neuted out in a hybrid ship. This isn't so with the other brawlers.

At least, I've yet to actually SEE a zealot deliberately enter neut range.

Well yes... that's its job...

Tanks blasters with deimos resists.
Whines OP.

if I was faced with that choice I'd choose to increase its sig radius and leave the cap where it is.

it's really refreshing not to have to visit a station after every fight. we'll finally be able to do armour roams.

.................................................that's a terrible argument. And without tackle, you'd probably warp off just fine.

1:1 at close range it almost always wins. As does the hyp, proteus etc etc. That's the job of a gallente blaster boat isn't it?

edit: I found this on the local repper forum about counters to the incursus. I felt it was interesting, and relevant to the deimos issue. There are (some) parallels that affect all medium and small blaster boats (yes, incuding the astarte): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3516176#post3516176

You mean,
OMG it's a Gallente boat that does certain things better than a Cynabel or Vagabond, so it must be op.

Only Cynabels and Vagabonds get to do that, period.

MAARs do use the exact same amount of cap as MARs, with or without nanopaste.

Actually Jerick, although you are my dear friend, I'll have to call you on that one. It's not quite true. See the calculation 2 posts prior.

I will grant you that it can run the guns, tank and tackle for a *fair while* without a booster (provided there are no neuts on the field), but not forever.

Having done the calculation above, it becomes very obvious to me how important neut ships are going to be when fighting HACs. Fortunately, there is already a plated armageddon waiting in the SMA of my POS.

Let the games begin!

- Sacrilege got the sensors but no tank and no capacitor (+0.2 is a kick in the groin) but got a bonus that will not help it in the vast majority of situations it will find itself in. It will be sub-par in just about any role .. cost of giving its main redeeming (super cap, comparatively) feature to almost everyone without getting anything in return.

Any particular reasoning behind giving the Ishtar 14 slots? All the other HACs have 15...

Vaga now has 5 effective bonuses.

Since cap bonus was HAC wide the Sac really lost its cap bonus.

Vagabond is a total disaster.
An mwd flying gunboat with shield boost and only FOUR midslots, only one missile launcher, only 25 m3 dronebay, a low slot AND a rig less than the fleet stabber, for me this ship alone represents a complete degradation of the entire concept of a HAC.

Killing a Deimos with an Ardestia (sp) or Vindicator is not my idea of balance.

You won't kill it with a single ship CS down without massive Neuting.

yes because lets ignore the T2 resists that deimos gets

Actually I'm teching up for T2 cruisers right now, and no nav 5 = 125% to base speed

239 X nav 5 1.25 = 298 X vags 1.25x speed bonus = 373.4